Joyce was "folksy?" I mean, the guy's work is hardly unimpeachable, but folksy? He was almost literally the opposite: writing about cities in what became an overblown intellectual style, while most of the rest of Ireland was still grinding out Soviet Realist drek about people fucking cows in Sligo.
That said, if I was at war, or even on an especially long uncomfortable vacation, I would not be digging Ulysses.
Basically, if the first part seemed self-absorbed, I don't apologize, because it was and I knew it when I posted it.
If the second part seemed condescending, that was a mistake. Ulysses really does have less to offer for people at war than most modernist stuff, which is obsessed with the themes McSorley says that he is drawn to. I just have to defend Joyce all the time, and I turn into an asshole about it.
If the third part seemed falsely apologetic... What can I say? It's a fault of mine: I apologize too much, obviously.
All that clarified, I don't want to make any more of this conversation about me than I already have. I'm (wisely, I hope) checking out.
For what it's worth, I've been enjoying this album more than any other I've heard this year. In fact, it sounds cliched, but i find more to love each time.
I get the black metal tag. But there's so much more here. I'm still trying to make sense of its parts. But the whole clicks right away. A truly phenomenal work.
Miskatonic: I'm w/ you on the cliche; I really do enjoy it more each time I listen to it and I think the "trying to make sense of its parts" part is partly why.
Chauncey: Now run along, son, and buy their records.
Maybe he should read Joyce as well as Beckett. Joyce's work isn't "folksy", it is cosmopolitan and even formalist. In fact his books were banned in Ireland by the folksy folk.
Ah, go fuck yourself, Voegtlin. I've seen you rip into a guy for daring to criticize the later works of Anvil. You can't be surprised that people get offended when somebody insults an author they admire--especially when he does it in a cursory way that suggests he's never even read him.
Personally, if there's anything in there that really pisses me off, it's the dismissal of Wilde as a "deviant." Wilde was a greater artist than these assholes will ever be. If they're going to dismiss his work because of some homophobic bullshit, I don't see any reason why I should give them the time of day.
And really, what else do you want me to get? Symbolism, Jungian archetypes, atavism, blah blah blah... It's smart and I like it and I'm glad these guys are into it, but I thought that was what half of metal (black metal in particular) was about from the start.
You asked him about Beckett. People are responding to the content of your interview. If you don't want people to respond to a band's taste in literature, don't ask the band about it.
Stinkfist bro, Wunder brings up Tool! Aside from the undeniable BM + Neurosis influence, I hear waaaaay more Aenima on this record than I do something like Gira - the ending riff in Stomach especially!
Jesus you're an uptight guy. Never read Beckett. The portrait of the artist as a young man was indeed folksy and who the fuck are you to criticize me? I normally dont respond to shit like this but you annoy me. Wilde was a fucking homo, get over it.
That said, if I was at war, or even on an especially long uncomfortable vacation, I would not be digging Ulysses.
Anyway, still a great interview of a great band.
If the second part seemed condescending, that was a mistake. Ulysses really does have less to offer for people at war than most modernist stuff, which is obsessed with the themes McSorley says that he is drawn to. I just have to defend Joyce all the time, and I turn into an asshole about it.
If the third part seemed falsely apologetic... What can I say? It's a fault of mine: I apologize too much, obviously.
All that clarified, I don't want to make any more of this conversation about me than I already have. I'm (wisely, I hope) checking out.
I agree with both of you on the last sentence of The Dead.
I get the black metal tag. But there's so much more here. I'm still trying to make sense of its parts. But the whole clicks right away. A truly phenomenal work.
Thanks for the interview!
Miskatonic: I'm w/ you on the cliche; I really do enjoy it more each time I listen to it and I think the "trying to make sense of its parts" part is partly why.
Chauncey: Now run along, son, and buy their records.
If this is all you're getting from this interview, you must have some sort of "blockage" going on. Get that checked out, STAT.
Personally, if there's anything in there that really pisses me off, it's the dismissal of Wilde as a "deviant." Wilde was a greater artist than these assholes will ever be. If they're going to dismiss his work because of some homophobic bullshit, I don't see any reason why I should give them the time of day.
And really, what else do you want me to get? Symbolism, Jungian archetypes, atavism, blah blah blah... It's smart and I like it and I'm glad these guys are into it, but I thought that was what half of metal (black metal in particular) was about from the start.
This is not an interview about Joyce or Beckett or Wilde. So go fuck yourself, dumbass.
I was so excited to publish this because I couldn't wait to read everyone's thoughts on Phil McSorley's taste in lit.
So far, the responses have been provactive, learned, nearly sublime - almost mirroring the astounding works he so viciously maligns.
I haven't been able to get any work done today b/c I'm glued to my gmail, anxiously awaiting more reader indignation.
Please...